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Times over the years, and they're frequently hostile character assassination posturing hearings. this one was relively civil given the acrimony involved in the withdrawal froafghanistan. i thought mark milleyade a straightforward, completely honest presentation that explained the situation that had happened, didn't delve into the craziness of trump's final days, and it was received probabl -- we have nothing else to say. we're fortunate we had this patriotic, talented combat veteran in that position during the last month of the tru administration. >> a proper final word to end this segment. wi...

Don't understand. they had a good issue in basically saying, look, the obama administration trying to tell the state of arizona what to do on immigration when all the state of arizona was trying to do is do what the federal government wasn't doing. they had a winning issue with a lot of swing voters are that didn't delve into a lot of politics and all of a sudden sudden it's almost they snatched a victorious issue -- snatched defeat from a victorious issue. >> they almost can't help themselves, as you pointed out and i think as mike pointed out, too. some of the leaders of this 14th amendment ...

Where this 14th amendment debate really clarifies the issue in a lot of ways. if you're talking about building a border fence, you're talking about punishing wrong doers, people that break the law. if you're talking about changing the 14th amendment, you're talking about punishing infants in hospitals. there's a fundamental lack of generosity, and i think kind of seriousness in this kind of proposal. it -- you know, it -- it shows the republicans in a very bad light, and there has to be another side to this argument. >> and roger, here's what i don't understand. they had a good issue in basica...

Another side to this argument. >> and roger, here's what i don't understand. they had a good issue in basically saying, look, the obama administration trying to tell the state of arizona what to do on immigration when all the state of arizona was trying to do is do what the federal government wasn't doing. they had an issue with swing voters that didn't delve into identity politics and all of a sudden it's almost they snatched a victorious issue -- snatched defeat from a victorious issue. >> they almost can't help themselves, as you pointed out and i think as mike pointed out, too. some of the...