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Irs and the department of homeland security, you could also get in to see what they said about the individual person who had signed up. how do you know that, again, how do you know that you can get this and even get into irs and get into dhs, and if in fact that's the case, what could a hacker do with an awful lot of private information? >> that's a great question. what you look for in assessing websites, i've been doing website security for a number of years, we break into websites all the time, and this is my area of expertise. we look at problematic areas around the website. and if you're s...

That, security doesn't really get integrated into it. and what happened with the rocket launch in october, they slapped a bunch of servers in to try to fix the website just to keep it up and running so people could go and use it, but the problem is they still didn't embed security into it. so when you have another few hundred developers actually running code to try to keep the site up and running, you increase the line count of code and increases more and more exposures. that's what we saw here over a period of time and that's what we testified on. it's much worse than we saw back in november....

Knowed some of them and were loud. and some people on the left and right were expressing them. >> let's make the point there, the president continues metadata collection, he continues the national security letters, he continues the government's ability to try to penetrate private companies, their software and their hardware, their encryption, to get information. bob, i want to ask you the same question that i asked our two guests in our prior segment, doesn't the president, in effect, maintain the basic surveillance structure that was created after 9/11 by george w. bush? >> he does. there rea...

Didn't do. general michael hayden is former head of the nsa and the cia charged to gather intelligence to keep the country safe. general patrick leahy is chair of the senate judiciary committee and introduced legislation to cutback even more on government surveillance. gentlemen, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good morning. >> let's start with the big picture, general hayden, what do you think of the president's reforms that he announced friday, does he compromise this nation's security? >> chris, there's an awful lot to like about the speech. that first third is the most robust defense...

Are seeing condemnation of sort of state and how they handled -- this was security and intelligence failure, which is resulted in this for americans. >> they talked in eastern libya and particularly of al-qaeda. >> they were flooding the zone with reports about deteriorating security. they talked about how trip wires which were meant to bolster security were ignored. they talked about the fact that the cia was paying attention to these things. they bolstered their own security at the annex down the road. the state department completely dropped the ball here. as a result, that news, that inform...