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The debate because then we would have had six and five. these ten-person debates really are not serving anyone. now the real problem with the way the debates have happened so far is that by luck of the draw elizabeth warren has yet to be on stage with joe biden or kamala harris. and that's just appalling. so thankfully if we stick with ten that won't happen. but you have some candidates, look, if mirrium williamson wants to stay, i don't see a problem with that. gillibrand is spending money on ads trying to get her into a debate that she didn't get into. now she could pull out and give that mo...

He didn't do any of that. why, gene? >> again, i would have loved to have been robert mueller's editor. i would have had plenty of suggestions for how he might have done this. nonetheless, i do agree that this was his way of leveling the playing field. he realized that his work had been distorted. and by selecting the points, i think he did go considerable way toward sort of getting the discussion back where he wanted it. you know, that said, could he have done it in a punchier way? absolutely. >> and substantively, there were things he didn't get into.

Him. so here is chairman cummins. this is what he said after the hearing about that. >> are you going to talk to alan weisselberg? will you talk to them? >> yeah, we probably will. there are certain areas we've got to be careful with because special counsel and southern district of new york and others have basically said that there are things that they are looking in to. there are a number of areas that we couldn't even get into and didn't get into. this is -- i think that there are still a number of shoes to drop. >> still a number of shoes to drop as part of that, joe. is the money trail the...

Cross, and i meant that. we can't keep going on and lying and lying. we'll never get to any kind of sen sense of normalcy. >> reporter: [ inaudible questi [ inaudible question ] there are a number of areas we didn't get into. i think there are still a number of shoes to drop. i don't flow what it is but i can tell you we work very