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Talking much more than mr. trump and there is also an indication that the tapes sort of cuts off abruptly with one of the two speakers mid-sentence. so i would suspect that mr. giuliani may have listened to it or been privy to what was on that tape. decided it was a usably spinable so they didn't objection and the second reason is that they could have decided to get this out into the public sector at this point, to district from the sort of all russia all of the time news cycle that frankly has not been working out all that well for the president. >> so kimberly, when you look at this, how con...