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Talking much more than mr. trump and there is also an indication that the tapes sort of cuts off abruptly with one of the two speakers mid-sentence. so i would suspect that mr. giuliani may have listened to it or been privy to what was on that tape. decided it was a usably spinable so they didn't objection and the second reason is that they could have decided to get this out into the public sector at this point, to district from the sort of all russia all of the time news cycle that frankly has not been working out all that well for the president. >> so kimberly, when you look at this, how con...

Kirshner, contributor and reporter, kimberly atkins. chief washington correspondent kevin cirilli and seema mecca from the los angeles times. is this waiving this privilege of this tape good legal strategy, how important is this tape as a piece of evidence? >> well, aaron, it is tough to know how important it is as a piece of evidence until we can actually all le-- hear what is the tape and that will dictate whether this was sound legal strategy. i would suggest there are two reasons that if, in fact, the president's team of lawyers waived the privilege here. it was either because the contents...