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On his country in the 2020 election. that central scheme is one in which the president implicated william barr multiple times in that call and barr knew about it and barr nevertheless didn't recuse himself and allowed his justice department to get involved and say, definitely don't hand this over to congress. and yeah, we'll look at this as a criminal matter. and we think that presidents can't be investigated for criminal matters so file this in the circular file. barr's involvement will be the way he goes down in history. it is just amazing. >> i was on my way to austin at dawn tomorrow to pa...

Imploring this foreign country to help him out with some dirt on his country in the 2020 election. that central scheme is one in which the president implicated william barr multiple times in that call and barr knew about it and barr nevertheless didn't recuse himself and allowed his justice department to get involved and say, definitely don't hand this over to congress. and yeah, we'll look at this as a criminal matter. and we think that presidents can't be investigated for criminal matters so file this in the circular file. barr's involvement will be the way he goes down in history. it is jus...

Arm, lindsey, take the trump i.v. out and stop it. what is this breach? tell me what is the -- that's deeper than recusing yourself from the mueller probe? what is deeper than that for trump? nothing. there is nothing deeper than that for trump with respect to this attorney general. so this is all about exactly as the question was put to him about how this president was to fire the attorney general simply for that reason. so this idea that, you know, the attorney general has done -- sessions has done something so horrible, so much worse than that. what is the only thing the president has been ...

>> not necessarily. there's a chance he may have stayed. >> let me finish. so what's clear is that he acted based on the guidance he was given by the career lawyers, whose job it is to give suggestions in these scenarios. and what has he done despite that sphhe didn't recuse himself but gone about trying to please donald trump. i'm sorry, but the spokesperson at the justice department who's denying it, she's been caught denying things that have been proven true in the past. >> they deny everything. >> what we do know according to the article mueller is looking at all of this, and everything is...

Campaign and became attorney general. didn't recuse himself from anything. >> there were no investigations into the obama 2008 campaign. >> but jake, this investigation goes well beyond just the campaign. >> sure. >> i don't think there was a need for him to recuse himself based upon his association with the campaign. now, if he believed that once he gave answers that at best were confusing regarding his interaction with russia, at that point i think, you know, it was much more defensible to recuse. but i want to be clear about what i think needed to be done here. i don't think he needed to re...