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Saved american lives. there are other areas, such as regional stability where both of us share an interest. so it's not just about oil. um -- >> right. and i understand that. but of course, um, you know, part of this comes down to well, you know, it's interesting we talk about china and who takes a stand and who doesn't. when it comes to mbs, then-candidate joe biden vowed to hold the crown prince accountable for jamal khashoggi's horrific murder. >> khashoggi was, in fact, murdered and dismembered and i believe in the order of the crown prips and i would make it very clear we were not going t...

Know he solicited novartis. did the president sanction in dunn the president didn't sanction that. >> i can't prove the negative. >> i don't know either. we dope know that tonight which is why these questions are so interesting and hang on -- hang on. i'll bring you in the conversation right now. another thing he no is that the special counsel has been asking we questions about this dating back months. >> we do know that. we know the special counsel has talked to the russian oligarch, asking questions with these payments that there were conversation was novartis. we know it's a piece of the co...

So i don't think it's fair to say that he has been tough on the russians. i'll answer paul's question. he never ever criticizes vladimir putin. and you know that. you can point to a couple of things. the sanctions are not fair because congress made him. >> a couple of things raining cruise missiles on the air base for the a couple of things. >> first of all, steve you're saying he is a whole step further which is saying the russians didn't get anything out of the investment into michael cohen. we don't know that a hundred%. but that doesn't change the fact that they went after him and maybe mi...