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In the crotch. >> all right. yeah, that will be helpful in an ad, for sure. how did michael bennet and the republican nominee as well in colorado, ken buck, kind of die fi the narrative there in colorado? >> this was a perfect case for the idea if you're an insider are you screwed no matter what do you and that turns out not to be the case. the michael bennet who initially ran as an outsider talking about how he had been in washington, but just long enough to find out that it was bad and it needed changing. emphasized his connections. and had all of his help coming in from washington and it wo...