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That is correct. You explained earlier that your job in the white house was to coordinate United States and Ukraine Policy, is that right . It is to coordinate United States policy visavis ukraine, correct. You testified in the spring of this year that these officials, these ukrainian officials began asking you, quote, advice on how to respond to mr. Giulianis advances, end quote. Is that correct . That is correct. What do you understand they meant by mr. Giulianis advances . I understood that to mean both his public commentary, so publicly calling for investigations into 2016, burisma, and hunter biden, as well as his direct overtours to the government of ukraine directly and through proxies. Thats what i understood. As you understand it, under Whose Authority do yo ....
that is. ms. williams, you also listened to the call, is that right? yes. fair to say, ms. williams, a lot of other people at the white house listened to the call or read the transcript? i can t characterize how many, i believe there were four, five, or six of us in the listening room at the time. and the transcript was distributed to others? i wasn t part of that process but that s my understanding. the president is asking us to give him a gold star because a number of people listened to the transcript before he released it. the difference between this and his one-on-one meeting in helsinki with vladimir putin is there it was a one-on-one meeting and he took the notes from the interpreter so none of us could see it, the point being the president had no choice but to release a call that everyone had seen. you ve been asked to also characterize what exactly legally all of this means. and mr. ratcliff pointed out that no one had used the term ....
Perjured themselves or lied to this committee? not that i m aware of. i yield bhaack. mr. carson. i yield to the chairman. i thank the gentleman for yielding. i wanted to make one point clear for folks that are watching the hearing today. bribery does involve a quid pro quo. bribery involves the conditioning of an official act for something of value. an official act may be a white house meeting. an official act may be $400 million in military aid. and something of value to a president might include investigations of their political rival. the reason we don t ask witnesses that are fact witnesses to make the judgment about whether a crime of bribery has been committed or whether, more significantly, what the founders had in mind when they itemize bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors, is your fact witnesses. it will be our job to decide whether the impeachable act of ....
Room, is that correct, sir? that is correct. and ambassador sondland was there with the senior ukrainian officials; is that correct? that is correct. did nsc lawyers tell you to come directly to them, sir, if you had any other concerns after july 10th? they said that i believe the words were something to the effect of, if you have any other concerns, feel free to come back. and this follow-on meeting, sir, ambassador sondland left, in your words, no ambiguity about what specific investigations he was requesting. ambassador sondland made clear that he was requesting an investigation of vice president joe biden s son; isn t that corre correct, sir? that is correct. and he stated he was asking these requests in coordination with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, correct, sir? that s what i heard him say. colonel, in your career, had you ever before witnessed an american official request that a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen who is related to ....
Sondland were responsible for advancing our interests in nato and the eu, is that right, ms. williams? i would say certainly in terms of this specific relationship between nato and the ukraine, that would fall to ambassador hutchison and for ukraithe eu, ambassador sondland. do you agree, lieutenant colonel vindman? i would agree. thank you. lieutenant colonel, you said in your written statement that mayor rudolph giuliani promoted false information. have you ever met jugiuliani? i said false narrative, just to be record, that s what i said in the record this morning. i have not met him. so you never had a conversation with him on ukraine or been in a meeting where he s spoken to others about ukraine? no, just when i saw him, his comments on tv. so news reports. and in news, yes. similarly, you ve never met the president of the united states, right? that is correct. ....