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2013 that people were dieing on wait lists. wait list data numbers were being fudged, that the government's own reports showed for years that the va's reporting data was flawed. so while i feel sorry in a way for this general than for the first time in 38 years, he is being lied to by his underlings, i think the information was there, ready available in the public for him to have seen this crisis coming and done something much more proactively than waiting till this crisis developed in phoenix which now could lead to his job. >> drew, the president has been saying, i need to see more informati...