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We found out the thing was paid up. there is no tv station. there was no award. it's pretty clear that sasha baron cohen wanted me to say something pretty crazy about guns like in america, we ought to arm pre school kids. >> did an alarm go off in your head, congressman? >> its did, michael, it was too late, because i was in the middle of this 15-minute thing talking about all the great things israel does. so the alarm went off, it really went off about 3:00 that next morning when i said, oh my god, i have been duped. we hired an attorney, we looked into it. we found out quickly it was this ne...

Nuclear threshold state, that would be a clear objective. those are faint memories. >> which school of foreign policy do you identify with? the realist like brent scowcroft and others would be in or the neocons which your brother and dig kane would be in? which basket do you find yourself in. >> it's never one or the other. my brother's first term compared to the second term there was a not so subtle change in policy. i think going forward the united states a, needs to leave. and we need to leave from a practical way. we can't be the world's policemen, but the lack of leadership has created vo...

As this has been going on. i heard the words, rose law firm vince foster whitewater, i've heard benghazi i've heard server. do you think that her biggest problem is none of those, including benghazi but her biggest problem might be just the exhaustion factor people listening to all this stuff about the clintons and saying no no mas. >> no i don't think that's the biggest problem. all of it is specific in the cycle of diddly squat if you ask me. i think her biggest problem is it may be democratic president, how are you going to be different than this president or are you going to be the same? i...

About the identity, dig kane said we'd rather that happen a couple times than less the bad guys out. >> no. >> i think even that what was sort of the moment where you sit there and gasp and go, oh, my god. >> i think that caught a lot of people by surprise he didn't, basically, that's collateral damage was his argument. i think that was his motivation in speaking out. he thinks people aren't defending the program. he's willing to do it and take the error. >> by the way, he probably knows americans are where americans are on this msnbc. by the way, i got to say on robert talking about the effec...

I bet cheney probably if you watched that interview probably 35, 36% support him. i think even most americans understand that we went if they fine it acceptable went too far. i was struck when you asked kane about the detainee that was chained to the wall, who froze to death. >> right. >> who was not the person we thought he was. >> right. >> he never admitted there was a mistake. he never admitted or apologized for any facet of it. >> you picked i think the most extreme stance of the entire "meet the press" interview, where he saw that. i have been very clear to say all along some of these en...