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Pence, he would have been able to change the election. how can he possibly make this argument. mike pence is now defending himself. but again, still not going for the jugular. knowing that trump supporters are never going to support mike pence, many of them are the ones chanting hang mike pence. >> yeah, i mean, you can understand what mike pence is trying to do here. but, he did stand up to donald trump on january six. and he did refused to throw out the votes of million of americans. but in that time, since then, he seems -- he wants to back off from really criticizing trump over it, or taki...

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Went up to capitol hill, these individuals, many of the people who served him and government, that got sucked into things. he just leaves all this carnage in his wake. >> do you think he cares about that? >> no, he doesn't care about that. loyalty is a one-way street for him. in many ways, i think these two people down in mar-a-lago represent many republicans who feel they have to manned the ramparts and you defend this manner, and go along with him. i think they have to be careful or they are going to end up as part of the carnage in his wake. >> that is what your message is to those people w...

Wrongdoing than democrats. i have seen it myself. i have lived through it. i have seen it. now, it is not as pervasive as is represented. it is not automatic. i think there are still many, many great prosecutors in the department who can check their politics, and be fair to whoever it is regardless of the politics. i think there is some political actors in the department. i'm glad chairman comer is conducting his investigation. >> speaking of that, one thing we have heard, you mentioned hunter biden earlier, david weiss, the trump-appointed u.s. attorney who is handling that investigation, did...

Was made, when he knew it wasn't, and prevented the lawyer for making it. that is the essence of obstruction, obstruction of a grand jury. it doesn't get more serious than that. >> what would you say -- he brought on to new attorney, todd blanche in april, john lauro just now. given what's happened with other attorneys he's had, what is your advice to his attorneys? you have any? >> get a lot of insurance. they will be spending a lot of times, themselves, at some point, you know, before grand juries, or answering questions, or as witnesses in investigations. >> he spending a lot of money on le...