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Purveyor as you could find. it is really strikingly significant, we were talking about trumpism as a dead end in this narrow state, she could not pull this off. >> look, the loss of kari lake is kind of the perfect quota to the last week that allows us to interpret the direction voters wanted to go, which is a rejection of the big, live protection of democracy, a rejection of the candidates that threatened through free and fair elections, and kari lake was probably -- dug mastriano in terms of the most dangerous. but i do think the question as jen mentions is real, what? now because truly, if ...

Ordinary income. there in a nutshell i think will be the sort of debate that there play out where republicans will say keep it at 20%. after all, that's the second time around those earnings are being taxed, and you'll hear the president say the warren buffett line these folks are ones who need to give back to the system. >> michael, i guess my question is, are there any facts at this point regarding this debate that would change a person's mind? let's say a voter at home, they've been armed now with the facts. so you have the simple numbers in front of you have. it is ideological to me in my ...