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Which should never have happened, and whose end has created this -- has contributed to this excellent result. the debate on that extension is over. and the conservatives were right. >> how about the theory that this relatively high unemployment rate, relatively low labor participation rate, are all a function of an automated economy, that many jobs simply will not come back? >> that's absolutely, no doubt that's part of it. and part of it's globalization. to pick up on charles' point, there were studies that did show that extending unemployment benefits would actually add a percent to unemploy...

Instead of job growth, what we have had is growth in disability roles, which are at historic highs, growth in food stamps from 21 to 49 million people. and a job growth that just is barely ticking up. that's where the focus is. it's a great political issue, they think, going into 2014 on things like extending unemployment benefits for another three months in which we will have this conversation all over again and make the republicans look like bad guys. the fact of the matter is the focus is not on jobs. it's on getting people on government benefits where they're confined to poverty. >> does t...

Norm and that's why the numbers are sky rocketing. >> are there any chances of a different betting procedure? you go to weight watchers and you have to weigh in to make sure you are not cheating. can the government do more of an efficient job to check the disability rolls? disability roles? >> they can always do more, but it always falls through the cracks. the amount of fraud in our system, i call it the big, gigantic blob. there is no way of catching all of it. there is a vicious cycle out there. there are not enough jobs and people are losing their jobs and losing their unemployment insuran...

Discouraged. what does that say about our society? let alone our economy? those are people not paying taxes and people who are contributing to the growth in government funding because the other thing that's happening is costs over programs like food stamps is exploding. disability roles, exploding. so this is not something, you know, keeping people out of the work force is not contributing to the growth of the country which would contribute to more jobs. and what he does, they keep taking their eye off the ball talking about the issue of jobs. but mostly, you know, getting involved in gridlock...

A piece posted by michael barone. 4.1 million people entered the disability roles. let me start with you on this, leslie, because you are married to a doctor. is it -- i mean, how does one enter the disability rolls? do you need to get a doctor's note? >> you need a doctor's signature on a federal form. because, you know, in my in-between life of broadcasting, i've helped out in my husband's office, so i've seen those forms. so certainly, the doctor has the right to say no. one of the problems is if you know hospitals not only to game the system to be honest, or if you keep going on and knock ...