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Of these charges. and, you know, is george santos his real name? if he goes to trial, it will be very interesting. these are -- many of these charges are all backed up, i bet you, without a doubt by documents. you know, he's accused of lying on disclosure forms. the documents are there. it is very easy to determine whether or not, you know, he was unemployed when he said he was. well, they're going to see he was working because he was receiving income, but now he's getting $24,000 unemployment. this is what you call paper cases. it is very hard to contest the documents. it is what it is. he ha...

Seat, despite the fact that these charges have come out. moments ago we hear that he has pled not guilty to all of these charges, a 500,000 cash bail is being put up by three unidentified people who put up the money, and he's due back in court to address these charges on june 30th. chris. >> rehema ellis, thank you for that, and we'll come back when we see george santos outside the courthouse. we want to take a look at the legal challenges he's facing. i want to bring in matt sanderson, an msnbc law analyst. you've seen the indictment, we've just talked about it, wire fraud, money laundering, ...

Indictments that i drafted. because it is a typical fraud defendant who will lie and deceive in order to get money for one purpose and use it on their personal luxury goods. that is one of the charges. there was also the unemployment insurance fraud charge where george santos himself who was working at that time claimed unemployment insurance, from the cares act. and then of course, he lied as i think we all recognized on his disclosure forms. but there are a couple of things that jumped out to me, joy. the first is this is a brazen, brazen individual. because these are pretty unsophisticated,...

School. in 2015, it was a bronze bust of frederick douglass, which was valued at more than $6,000. those were some of the gifts that supreme court justice clarence thomas listed on his public disclosure filings over the years, in keeping with post watergate federal disclosure laws. while each of those reported items could raise some eyebrows on their own, they are not even the most interesting parts of thomas's disclosure forms. for that, you have to look at what is missing from those forms. in the past month, propublica has reported on a litany of items -- on trips and on payments for real es...

Protection laws and are now in the hands of house judiciary committee members, chief justice roberts wife of course continues to earn that kind of income past 2014, it is nearly nine years since that income was earned. and of course chief justice roberts did not disclose the sources of that income in his financial disclosure forms, and he knows he will never pay any price for that, because he knows impeachment is politically impossible. american journalism is very good at exposing such potential scandals, but is very bad at reporting on the people who live scrupulously careful, political, ethi...