it was an incredible moment to see as a journalist and as a citizen here in new york, it's something you imagine seeing in a war zone. i have reported in war zones before, but you would never imagine seeing it in downtown manhattan, in my hometown, when they report on the former president of the united states. >> yeah, and jim kavanaugh, just to listen to yasmin explain that, it's harrowing because even that type of protest is not a protest that is typical in the united states. we did see it with the young man who protested, it was a free palestine protester, a military veteran, lit himself on fire. that was a rare kind of western version of this. these are protests that during the vietnam war we would see tibetan monks do. this was nat kind of protest. it's very unusual in western society for someone to do that. and it also doesn't appear to be related to this trial. but this trial is going to attract just intense media attention. it's going to attract media,