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The lawyers told trump, there's no way you're going to in this, and he went with it in any way, he did lose in the supreme court because they talked about standing. it reminds us that the supreme court is more unpredictable than we like to think of it, even though the ideologies are pretty strong among these justices. >> the ideologies are strong, but there is, of course, peter, a difference between clarence thomas' conservatism on the court and john roberts. and we are seeing brett kavanaugh again, a guy who was vilified in -- it was a disgraceful display. mika and i said it at time, we'll sa...

The energy or the time to find him in contempt, get the house vote, go to the district court, go to the circuit court, spend months to litigate this, but that shouldn't obscure the fact that the legal claim that the white house made was just outrageous and wrong. >> but finding corey in contempt for -- corey's basically going along with what he's been instructed by the president of the united states that he's dish mean, corey -- i mean, i don't think corey is the person that you go after here. i mean, the reality is that it's the president asserting this claim. >> but the president doesn't hav...

Does it all depend on having to getn cooperation from the administration? >> yeah, alex. it's really hard to reiterate how deeply troubling that washington post piece was today. ish mean, this is the presidentf the united states who is actively tryingte to conceal hi conversations with one of the united states' largest adversaries which is vladimir putin. and i thought mark warner made a good point earlier today, alex, on the sunday show where he said, you know, we have to remember, this goes back to trump's relationship with russia goes back to the 2016 campaign. we will never forget, of cour...