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First marriage is a fund aament right. we needed to do that and the defendants even agreed with that. the supreme court has ruled that 14 times in the last 100 years. second, we needed to prove that depriving gay and lesbian citizens of the right to marry seriously harmed them and seriously harmed the children that they were raising. and we proved that, too, not only through our witnesses but through the defense witnesses. >> can i interrupt on that point? i think it's significant. in effect, are you vaing you want gays and lesbians to be treated as a protected class like african-americans? in...

Right. we needed to do that and the defendants even agreed with that. the supreme court has ruled that 14 times in the last 100 years. second, we needed to prove that depriving gay and lesbian citizens of the right to marry seriously harmed them and seriously harmed the children that they were raising. and we proved that, too, not only through our witnesses but through the defense witnesses. >> can i interrupt on that point? i think it's significant. in effect, are you vaing you want gays and lesbians to be treated as a protected class like african-americans? in other words, the burden is so h...