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>> yes, and at any moment, we are awaiting this verdict, and obviously a huge case, and one of the many legal challenges that the former president is facing, and perhaps on the most personal of the many women that have accused him of sexual assault, and this going to court, and not a criminal case, but nonetheless, potentially accountability of the many accusations he has had against him. >> certainly will be, and what we find out, it could be critical. >> yes. >> and i want to bring in jean casarez to join us. jean, as we are awaiting what the jury is going to determine here if the ...

of a criminal invest big asian -- tonight, asha rangappa and chuck rosenberg what it means to move from subject to target. -- jay johnson on the secret service scandal and why he says the case against the ex president is already indict-able. plus i debunking of a trump ally from trump tv -- and a new proposal that gives me genuine hope in these difficult times, when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes all of a sudden there's a lot happening in the department of justice investigation into the january 6th insurrection. in just the last few days there's ...

trump alibi from trump tv. and the new project that gives me genuine hope in these insane times, when all in starts right now. w.>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. all of the sudden there is a lot happening in the department of justice investigation into the january 6th insurrection. in just the last few days, there have been a bunch of developments, some of which we are going to get to in a moment. but before we do, it's worth stepping back and looking at the bigger picture, because i think the significance here is, a large. for seven years now, we have been covering do...

Reporting today, the reporting is forced to an administration official that there is an inquiry,. to overturn the 2020 election results not in a criminal investigation of trump himself, there's a little distinction between whether someone is the subject of an investigation or the target. how much will that distinction matter, how much will be thinking about that in context. >> let me start with the chris, the subject of someone in the scope of the investigation. meaning we haven't decided yet if that person is going to be the defendant one day, or merely a witness. a target is putative defenda...

It's a partisan way of trying to overturn the election. >> do you believe there should be a distinction between whether the people in the administration ask for a quid pro quo and whether the president himself directed it? do you think there's a distinction there, if there's no proof the president himself directed it, but for instance, as we have seen the transcripts indicate, perhaps mick mulvaney was directing this, does that distinction matter to you? >> i think we have gotten lost in this whole idea of quid pro quo, and senator kennedy kind of hit the nail on the head, is that if you're no...