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Story partly but a it seemed so complicated but when you dig in, it's not so complicated. they were spying on trump as a candidate and as president of the kwraoupbd from the white house. why is this not the biggest story of the year? >> right. it's an enormous national security scandal. i hear people comparing it to watergate and it does not compare to watergate at all. what we're talking about when we talk about the executive office of the president, this is some of the most secure communications that we have in the united states. the fact that these were, that these were being tapped, the id...

Look into this and figure out why this this bank server doing all these lookups. >> rod, my question is, if you were looking into server activity involving the trump organization and the russian bank, what would you be looking for? >> what you really want to get ahold of is the data packets, okay? the reality is if this was any kind of russian intelligence operation, you have to bet those packets were encrypted. you could at least say, well, they went from alpha bank and landed over here and they're encrypted, then you would know there was a data flow. no one has asserted that, that i've heard...

They just want someone to investigate, the fbi, someone to look into this and figure out why was this bank server doing all of these lookups? >> so my question to you, rod, if you were looking for activity involving the russian bank, what would you look for? >> well, you really want to get ahold of the data packets, but the reality is if this were any kind of russian intelligence organization, you would have to say they have packets, went from alpha bank and landed over here and you know by them being encrypted there was a data flow. nobody has asserted that. you would want to see data traffic...