look into this and figure out why this this bank server doing all these lookups. >> rod, my question is, if you were looking into server activity involving the trump organization and the russian bank, what would you be looking for? >> what you really want to get ahold of is the data packets, okay? the reality is if this was any kind of russian intelligence operation, you have to bet those packets were encrypted. you could at least say, well, they went from alpha bank and landed over here and they're encrypted, then you would know there was a data flow. no one has asserted that, that i've heard of, don, that hasn't been in the story yet. but that's what you would be looking for, you would want to see data traffic. i also want to comment, the dns system is very open. that means that lookup or query goes through open servers and passes through a lot of wires between moscow and pennsylvania. and a lot of parties can be listening in. it's legal and valid to keep a record of dns queries. so major internet operators have huge logs or record books of these lookups that have been done and some of these parties,