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was 1960. so the idea that republicans think if we can win wisconsin, we can win the press dnsy. the democrats can't win without it. >> it's been going back and forth and back and forth. >> obama won wisconsin by seven. trump won it by a point and then biden won it by a point. so the fact is that whoever has been winning wisconsin has been winning the presidency and that is a big reason why republicans are betting so big. >> it's close in the presidential race and we've seen plenty of evidence it's super close to other races, as well. >> look at the 2020 midterm elections, right? we had a split. governor evers won by three points. look in the u.s. senate, ron johnson winning by a point. wisconsin was split just as the nation was split in 2022 and just as we've seen on the presidential level where wisconsin was split in the last two election cycles. >> and it's not just the debate that's there, the republican convention will be there. >> exactly.

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