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Who say this is their -- probably their biggest frustration with the party right now. >> sure. >> that there is just no way to be on the wrong side of efforts that should be made to get more people out to vote, to stop gerrymandering, to make it easier for people to vote. how do republicans get on the right side of this issue? >> well, the answer is, ali, they won't. for the most part, you know, the do-gooder is in parts of this. the national holiday. encourage people to vote. the transparency factor of getting the tax returns, et cetera. i think everyone pretty much agrees with those across t...

Said we'd rather win by preventing you from voting than by getting and winning your vote. >> so, rick, i mean, i've spoken to african-american republicans who say this is their -- probably their biggest frustration with the party right now. >> sure. >> that there is just no way to be on the wrong side of efforts that should be made to get more people out to vote, to stop gerrymandering, to make it easier for people to vote. how do republicans get on the right side of this issue? >> well, the answer is, ali, they won't. for the most part, you know, the do-gooder is in parts of this. the nationa...

Preventing you from voting than by getting and winning your vote. >> so, rick, i mean, i've spoken to african-american republicans who say this is their -- probably their biggest frustration with the party right now. >> sure. >> that there is just no way to be on the wrong side of efforts that should be made to get more people out to vote, to stop gerrymandering, to make it easier for people to vote. how do republicans get on the right side of this issue? >> well, the answer is, ali, they won't. for the most part, you know, the do-gooder is in parts of this. the national holiday. encourage peo...

They don't work.ei >> i don't know that there is a blacklist, but i can tell you that the vast majority of artists, directors, writers, actors, are liberal. there is no question about thats and there is a reason for that. liberals have a very big view of things. this is what i've said, i said this to bill clinton, in the oval office, i said, you know the difference between republicans and democrats? republicans know they are right. democrats entertain the possibility that they might be wrong. and that is the big difference, and that is why you see liberals drawn to the arts, because it is more...

Do-gooder -- did it bug you with that archie bunker was more of a loved than your character? because you are kind of your character. he was a liberal who ended up playing this blue-collar, irascible guy, but he had a lovable side to him. >> he got a lot of criticism because people -- >> laura: love tim! >> how dare you make a lovable bigot? where we said, he is a human being. he loves his wife, he loves his daughter, and that makes them human. >> laura: but you say trump -- you say he is a racist. >> he is. >> laura: he absolutely is not. do i look like a person who would hang around -- i'm no...