Said we'd rather win by preventing you from voting than by getting and winning your vote. >> so, rick, i mean, i've spoken to african-american republicans who say this is their -- probably their biggest frustration with the party right now. >> sure. >> that there is just no way to be on the wrong side of efforts that should be made to get more people out to vote, to stop gerrymandering, to make it easier for people to vote. how do republicans get on the right side of this issue? >> well, the answer is, ali, they won't. for the most part, you know, the do-gooder is in parts of this. the nationa...