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Doubt they will, the whole country will turn on them. they're going after his daughter? >> how about his son-in-law. they talked about him. >> i guess jared is a fine man, you know that. but men are, you know, disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka, come on. >> the president's senior adviser and son-in-law, jared kushner, is disposable? what do you think giuliani is getting at there? >> i don't think he -- i think it's very clear he doesn't like jared. i think he feels very secure in his job or otherwise he might have been fired. you know, jared may go after him in his own quiet way, and he ...

That rudy giuliani told the truth. he blurted it out there. it appeared that he did so with the president's blessing and authorization and kellyanne conway and the chief of staff were all left in the dark as were his lawyers. the rest of his legal team and of course they were very upset. i think they changed their story back and not in a very persuasive way. they changed their story back because rudy had unwittingly made the president more vulnerable to criminal investigations and charges regarding the stormy daniels thing. and they wanted to walk it back, but i -- you know, they've sold so ma...

During this interview because, ryan, this is rudy giuliani calling jared kushner disposable in the same breath saying ivanka trump is off-limits to the mueller investigation. >> if they do do ivanka, which i doubt they will, the whole country will turn on him. they're going after his daughter. >> what about his son-in-law? >> they talked about him. i guess jared is a fine man. you know that. but men are, you know, disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka, come on. >> so saying that in context of a federal investigation is stunning. is there more behind it, do you think? could she be on mueller...

Prosecution is whether the american public is sympathetic to the target of an investigation or not. you know, i'm not a lawyer, but i don't think that's how it's supposed to work. and my question, don, is where does that come from, this idea of putting ivanka on a pedestal, better not touch her -- >> the 1950s called. >> but then jared is disposable. and this is bit of an armchair psychiatry in guessing, but is this a conversation giuliani had with the president and he was sort of reflecting it back? >> that's why i said to michael is giuliani just simply regurgitating what the president has s...

The president told him. does that mean he knows michael cohen's side? >> no, i don't think he knows it necessarily. the point i wanted to make is how cohen treats this on his taxes whether it's income or repayment of a loan, whether trump takes it as a business expense, deduction, all that stuff will indicate the intent of the parties that takes it between a civil or criminal willful violation. there's a lot of stuff the prosecutors can gather which will impact that analysis. >> all right. that's a very fine point there. listen, i want to talk about other things that happened during this inter...