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The points of view of others. that's why i'm saying i hope that people can root for the humans in it as well, which is you're not meant to look at any of these characters and see them as villains, but you can see how villainous things happen. we wanted the movie to be kind of an anatomy of violence. those questions are what makes a great leader, some of the thick things we were grappling with. >> there are actually no apes in the planet of the apes. they are both actors and cgi, which is all technology. dock talk to us about it. what i find is interesting is you don't know when they switch, wh...