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With donald trump is he is very good at making his wishes clear, without being explicit, in a way that we would -- that anyone would catch him on tape. or even through a witness, actually doing a crime. so, you know, find the votes for me in georgia wasn't, well, go out and fraudulently, you know, change the count. it's just always left kind of vague. and i think that has been really helpful for him, in kind of dodging prosecution, up until now. and the question is whether, at this point, this is going to come back to bite him, anyway, because there are enough investigations. there's enough pr...

>> and refused agencies to produce documents? >> that is also true. >> based on the president's order, federal agencies have ignored more than 70 specific requests for records from the investigative committees, is that correct? >> if i could just add -- >> quickly, please. >> this would ordinarily be a document case. if you were prosecuting this case you'd be basing it on the documents. the fact the documents are being withheld is quite significant and remarkable we built the record we have on the witnesses. >> not just the documents, at the president's direction, witnesses also refused to tes...

All of his agencies to refuse to produce documents. get president zelensky to that that right? >> that is also true. july 25th call ready to be >> based on the president's order, federal agencies have compliant. and the reason that's so ignored more than 70 specific important is because the requests for demands for records from the investigative republicans, one of the kernels committees. that correct? >> yes. of their defense seems to be and if i could just add. there is nothing wrong with that >> quickly. >> this would ordinarily be a call and the ukrainians aren't document case. if you were...

Trail showing that they connect rudy giuliani to pompeo to speak about ukraine. >> and there is sworn testimony from witnesses, many long-time public servants versus what the president said in an almost one-hour-long live television broadcast, telephone call to fox news. so that is rather unprecedented. another precedent being set here is this case would normally be a document case, but as a source on capitol hill said to me yesterday, they have to pivot and make this about in-person testimony instead. do you think that's going to change before the house reconvenes. >> it looks like that's a s...

Of burning of the midnight oil to read them. there is reportedly a paper trail showing that they connect rudy giuliani to pompeo to speak about ukraine. >> and there is sworn testimony from witnesses, many long-time public servants versus what the president said in an almost one-hour-long live television broadcast, telephone call to fox news. so that is rather unprecedented. another precedent being set here is this case would normally be a document case, but as a source on capitol hill said to me yesterday, they have to pivot and make this about in-person testimony instead. do you think that's...