Larger picture? are people seeing this as my goodness, we have to do something about this or is this completely separate from the movement? >> well, tackling violence has been a key part of what we're trying to deal with. when we're talking about doing outreach, community outreach, working with young people, it's not just about the police. it's about violence in general. but the core of the black lives matter movement has been a strong message against police brutality. but the overall message is our lives matter even to other people who we look alike. >> let me ask you about this. there are pe...