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It's a simple equation. i look at this and say, doesio a wall make it more or less safe and secure? >> every place it says build the wall. san diego, el paso, every place they built a barrier or a wall, a wall-like barrier, the results have been decreasing illegal immigration, decrease in drug supply. i again, the data is there. democrats say the wall won't work. they are ignoring the data. every place it has been put up, it has worked 100% of the time. so if this works, what price are you putting on the national security and public safety? i talked to theri president tody a couple of hours ag...

Is the president had also nancy pelosi's job but rather than doing that, she would rather --ss >> jason: i think clearly the democrats love the issue but i don't think it resonates to the american people. i think they know that this president is fighting to secure the border. last question. you spent decades in the service, you understand the border patrol, youcu understand customs and immigration -- immigrations and customs enforcement. what do you think they would say to the president and thehe membs of the congressof and the house and senate that have to vote on this?an do they or do they n...

This shutdown is one that the democrats own. this would be very easy to resolve. and they don't want to do it. they don't want to do it -- even if you lookk at the media, "the washington post" today, cnn, folks, they have trump gone in three months. they believe that in three months, they will have fractured trump's base,, i.e., you. >> jason: so what are the ramifications of this political showdown? joiningg us now is rnc chairwomn ronna mcdaniel and fox news political analyst gianno caldwell. thank you both foror joining us here. ronna, i want to start with you because the messaging from the...

For things as serious as possessing or selling drugs, these are the hard-core drugs, so when you think about these facts, these irrefutable facts, how could they not want to protect our country? only because they believe they can correlate some of these votes to protect their party and stay in power. >> jason: ronna, i think part oo the messaging actually should be, let's do what the border patrol wants to do. we have a lot of these political pundits, we have these members of congress who have never been down to the border, i was in congress for eight years, i went to the border multiple times...

Reform, broad-based immigration reform, and securing our borders.ra >> jason: when the president gets an hour or two to address the nation in the state of the union affair and he gets to talk in front of members of congress, i have been there in the audience to listen eight times to barack obama try to tell me the way the world was, i was -- it was a fascinating thing. dr. gorka, the president is going to the southern border. what is the message you would like to see the president portray? >> marc is right, in addition to recognizing the incredible worke of cbp and i.c.e. and everyone who wear...