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how conservatives and liberals think this country should raise and spend its money is a very, very valid discussion to have. sadly, that's not the one we're having. thanks to both of you, -- and solar and political economy in the american enterprise institute. he's the author of a dream is not dead, but populism could kill it. jennifer reuben is an opinion writer at the washington post, and msnbc political analyst host of the new podcast, jen reuben's green room. all right, straight ahead, we'll continue our breaking news coverage of the debt ceiling negotiations, which are ongoing r...

Negotiations, and just moments ago, the speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy echoed those hopeful sentiments from capitol hill. >> i feel closer to an agreement now than i did a long time before, because i see progress. listen, this is not easy in any shape or form, and that doesn't back goes away from it. one thing you always learned about me, i don't give up, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter how many times it takes. you want to make sure you get an agreement before the american public. >> patrick mchenry, the republican congressman from north carolina who's been a key figure in these talks ...