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verdict came along and we made some emergency arrangements. here in boston. to get into this coverage tonight. we have lisa birnbach joining us, as the first guest tonight, as you know, she is e. jean carroll's best friend and the most supportive witness that e. jean carroll had in the trial. she's the very first person who heard e. jean carroll's story. that very day. minutes after it happened. when she had that encounter with donald trump. >> and you know, lisa burn box testimony about this, i think should so much light into the ways in which victims of sexual assault often have a ...

the whole country a service. by helping illustrate the confusion and the denial that a lot of sexual victims feel in those first moments after an assault. she's going to be a really important guest to hear from tonight, lawrence, it's great to have her. >> yeah, alex, last night, on this program, we hand harvard law professor -- lawrence tribe. and i alerted the audience to the fact that is very likely that president biden would be paying attention to what professor tribe said about the debt ceiling and the 14th amendment on this program last night. and sure enough today, when presid...

Have any feeling at all that there could be anything like exaggeration involved? anything? >> oh, no. she's a straight shooter. she may call people she doesn't know darling, but she's a straight shooter. and there would have been absolutely no incentive for her to say this horrible thing happened. plus, the emotion in her voice, sort of laughing, breathing hard, terror. it was also real. so real. she was horribly agitated. >> well, i don't think it's a mystery to this audience to understand that, from the start, i have believed in jean carroll about this, and i have believed lisa birnbach abou...