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I think in the last hour we had to look behind what do you think is happening under jack smith's sort of twin probes one is a prosecution, the other still an active investigation. >> sure. well, one thing that i -- just another data point for you and the listeners is you mentioned that the magistrate judge assigned to the documents case issued this relatively standard order with respect to how the defendants and the defense counsel can use unclassified documents. remember, this is about a standard order for not classified documents how are you going to deal with classified documents will be de...

For that he gives people the appearance he doesn't care by doing this. for the first time in his life it looks like he's being held accountable. up until this point in his life it's like, i'm not going to pay you, take me to court. he's never been held accountable before esper and barr also warning that the current gop presidential front-runner so never, ever hold office again >> do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again >> well, based on his actions, again, if proven true, under the indictment by the special counsel, no. i mean, it's just irresponsible action that...

All of them concluding that the behavior was dangerous and disturbing in a scathing piece titled "the truth about the trump indictment" bill barr goes on and he says this "this is a situation entirely of his own making the effort to present trump as a victim in the mar-a-lago document affair is cynical political propaganda." all of these condemnations are notable. but what's even more notable is where they're coming from now. as our friend charlie sykes writes in the bulwark, "no president has earned the open contempt and denunciation of so many of his inner circle unlike other critiques from ...

Years he was at doj some and who's he talking to? this is the part of it that i'm most curious about who's he speaking to is he talking to ron desantis? is he talking to mike pence? is he talking to jim jordan? i mean, who is he talking to what do you think? >> nicolle, i think he's speaking certainly to the republican establishment i think he's speaking to people who have an ability to make an impact on whether or not trump in the primary season will gain the nomination i was thinking about your point about looking forward. let's set aside for a moment the politics let's set aside the questio...

Republican field against him because they're not, it goes to the heart of your question why not? is it a lack of fitness or moral character? is it pure political fear? or is it something greater >> as you're talking about speedy trial all i'm thinking of is him wanting to release his perfect call which of course wasn't perfect and they all locked it down and lied about it. the patterns of trump are so abundantly clear to anybody watching i need all of you to stick around we have a lot more developments o'talk about in the documents case aft aer very short break. don't go anywhere. verizon. the...