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Sanctions imposed by president obama. that's not a crime. he can do that. he can say that. >> sandra: very important to make that distinction. what about the logan act that points private citizens from interviewing in diplomatic disputes with foreign governments. >> doesn't apply, passed in 1799, and nobody has been prosecuted, largely because it's a blatant affront to the first amendment. moreover, kushner and michael flynn for example in having conversations with kysliak aren't acting as private citizen as the law demands but rather official in the incoming administration. they should be hav...

Is case law that says that that doesn't apply to an fbi investigation. 1505, it would apply if it was an irs case. doesn't apply when the fbi is investigating, according to the u.s. attorney's manual that governs federal prosecutions there is really not a statute that's designed to address a situation where the president and the director of the fbi are interacting in a way that people might call obstructive. potentially more interesting here, and of course we don't know the facts, and that goes back to jim's comments and tells us we need an aggressive and thorough investigation. but there is a...

Once you become a witness in a case, you recuse. >> joyce? >> yes. >> your thoughts. >> so jim knows that it's the job of the agents to push prosecutors for charges. and it looks easy to charge obstruction in this case. but when you look at the array of federal statutes that are designed to address obstruction, the statute that you talked about that involves obstructing a federal investigation, there is case law that says that that doesn't apply to an fbi investigation. 1505, it would apply if it was an irs case. doesn't apply when the fbi is investigating, according to the u.s. attorney's man...

>> right. >> and joyce knows this. she has had assistants it happens to. once you become a witness in a case, you recuse. >> joyce? >> yes. >> your thoughts. >> so jim knows that it's the job of the agents to push prosecutors for charges. and it looks easy to charge obstruction in this case. but when you look at the array of federal statutes that are designed to address obstruction, the statute that you talked about that involves obstructing a federal investigation, there is case law that says that that doesn't apply to an fbi investigation. 1505, it would apply if it was an irs case. doesn't ...

A smaller cut now and permanent and a larger cut phase out in 10 years what's the better option? >> i would do the larger cut. it won't be phased out in 10 years. believe me, it will be made permanent. drop the highest corporate tax rate to 15% right away and it will start the machine rolling. once it's there you can't raise it again unless you want to lose every election you've ever looked at in your life. that's the way to go. it will be permanent. now bush w. did the temporary ones and led to the obama takeover. it wasn't because of the temporary ones. once obama got in there he stiffed it ...