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writer about serious things and a serious documentary—maker. you've already told me a little bit about yourjewish family history, you've explored in documentary form holocaust denial. you have written a book — this one, jews don't count, which looks at what you see as the failure of the progressive left, particularly in the uk, to take full account of anti—semitism as one of the discriminatory prejudices that taint society, you think somehow... ..as your title suggests, jews don't count. is it easy to tackle these serious subjects when your reputation is that of a very funny man? i don't know. i mean, for some people, it will be. for me, it isn't. the book has got quite a lot ofjokes in it. i don't really see clear boundaries between funny and, i guess, intelligent or whatever you might call it. that wasn't a very intelligent sentence, so it doesn't bear that out very well. but what i mean is
against that kind of an outcome? if the rule of law were failing, it's conceivable that i might. >> i also wonder, though, michael, because a lot of people, they may actually think that it's true even when it's not. i would hope that as you evaluated a situation like that you would be doing it based on facts. but you hear the perception of so many people, maybe on both sides of the spectrum depending on who is commander in chief, and they do feel like those conditions are basic live all met. so what does that mean? >> reporter: it's frightening, brianna. when you get into the cross tabs of the day you look, for example, at what percentage of americans think former president trump bears a i great deal of responsibility for the events of january 6th. the number overall is 60%. but when you then look at republicans or trump supporters versus others,ing it's significantly different. it's roughly two-thirds who say, no, he really doesn't bear much
thereby delaying the vote on the bill. by this morning, when he finally quit, he had gone on for more than 8 1/2 hours speaking on the floor of the house, and good for him. aside from, you know, the content of his speech, which doesn't bear much -- shouldn't require too much of your time. frankly, as a tactic, long speeches, very, very, very long speeches are a tried and true way for legislators to dramatize and draw attention to their objections to something that is going to happen anyway, and that is what he did. but he did that until after 5:00 in the morning. and then they reconvened the house in the 9:00 a.m. hour and it was clear very quickly that that part was over. over with an exclamation point. >> on this vote, the yeas are 220. the nays are 213. the build back better bill is passed. [ cheering ]
elected officials who do this, and there are very few of them in colorado at least, know exactly what they're doing, that it doesn't matter, if we put something on television and say it's false, they still have the ability to get it out so the trick for us going forward, and i think the challenge for a lot of local journalists covering elected officials and members of congress is to figure out how do we report on what they're saying if it's cruel or false or bigoted without just relentlessly amplifying it, but also without simply ignoring it? so for us at 9 news in colorado, we've gone public with the double standard to acknowledge how it benefits politicians like congresswoman boebert, who is willing to say things that aren't true or bigoted or are cruel. and at the same time is unfair to all of the other public servants who choose to hold themselves to a higher standard.
..as your title suggests, jews don't count. is it easy to tackle these serious subjects when your reputation is that of a very funny man? i don't know. i mean, for some people, it will be. for me, it isn't. the book has got quite a lot ofjokes in it. i don't really see clear boundaries between funny and, i guess, intelligent or whatever you might call it. that wasn't a very intelligent sentence, so it doesn't bear that out very well. but what i mean is the book is complex. it's trying to draw some quite complex intellectual ideas around how anti—semitism has been a neglected thing that the people who are very obsessed with identity politics have left behind. i see no reason why a joke in the middle of that would deflate or subvert an argument. i think that's a weird thing that people assume that, the minute you go into comedy, you're somehow upending what you're saying. intellectually, i don't see that at all. iam glad... i mean, it's a privilege, really, that, despite being a comedian and probably being best known for being
withdrawal and just three weeks from the 20th anniversary of 9/11. soon, we'll reflect on the contribution of 2,443 americans who died fighting in afghanistan and the more than 20,000 injured there. was their sacrifice all in vain? no way. just justice demanded a response after 19 hijackers unleashed an unprovoked attack that killed 3,000 incident americans. the united states was wholly justified in hunting down those responsible and their enablers. that's why we went to afghanistan, and the men and women who answered their nation's call were responding to a noble purpose. to the extent mistakes were made and there were that doesn't bear on the sacrifice and service of those with boots on the ground. it wasn't they too decided instead of a law enforcement, focused sniper approach going only after those who caused 9/11, instead, we would end up responding with a proverbial shotgun blast. in this country, we have
you into the genesis of this weird conspiracy. it suggests that it was promoted by paul manafort, his campaign chairman. one of paul manafort's long-time associates, constantin kilimnik, who the fbi believed has ties to russian intelligence services are it seems this conspiracy was cooked up in the summer of 2016, right as the campaign is heating up, as the first documents begin to come out. you see manafort, kilimnik, and general mike flynn, begin to tell the president, we don't believe this is russia, we believe this is probably ukraine. >> do they care if it's true? >> hard to tell. our documents are reporting doesn't bear that out at the moment. it does seem they are acting in bad faith. there is quite a lot of evidence, at least some of -- like michael flynn, the intelligence services of the united states believe this is a russian hack. it's clear to us that he is attempting to shape that narrative to fit something that the trump campaign can use. >> why would it help them that much during 2016?
which brings his combined sentence so far to about 7 1/2 years. in court today manafort did what he had failed to do last week. he expressed regret for his actions. and we quote. "i want to say to you now that i am sorry for what i've done. i accept the responsibility for the acts that have caused me to be here today. i will be 70 years old in a few weeks. my wife is 66 years old. i am her primary caregiver. please let my wife and i be together." before pronouncing her sentence judge amy berman jackson noted the magnitude of his crimes, his lies to investigators in violation of his plea deal and his apparent lack of remorse. "saying i'm sorry i got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency." she also criticized his legal team adding, "the no-collusion refrain that runs through the entire defense memorandum is, similarly, unrelated to the matters at hand. the no-collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur that doesn't bear on the question of the appropriate sentence." again, that didn't stop
he expressed regret for his actions. and we quote. "i want to say to you now that i am sorry for what i've done. i accept the responsibility for the acts that have caused me to be here today. i will be 70 years old in a few weeks. my wife is 66 years old. i am her primary caregiver. please let my wife and i be together." before pronouncing her sentence judge amy berman jackson noted the magnitude of his crimes, his lies to investigators in violation of his plea deal and his apparent lack of remorse. "saying i'm sorry i got caught is not an inspiring plea for leniency." she also criticized his legal team adding, "the no-collusion refrain that runs through the entire defense memorandum is, similarly, unrelated to the matters at hand. the no-collusion mantra is simply a non sequitur that doesn't bear on the question of the appropriate sentence." again, that didn't stop manafort's lawyer, as we saw, from going outside and claiming
republican party. he just needs to split off a kind of hard-core chunk of it. and there's no solution to this that doesn't alienate someone that he needs. >> well, leon, i said you were wrong, look at the business. michelle says i'm wrong, look at the cults. a final word from you for your thoughts? >> listen, i don't want to go so far as to call it a cult, but i think michelle is more or less right in what he's saying factually. i come at this from a different perspective. i covered the republican primary from the republican side. all i'll say is that i will believe any significant portion of donald trump's base is going to abandon him when i see it and not before. >> fair and well put and appreciate all the insights from across the spectrum here, michelle goldberg and leon wolf. still ahead, the 25th amendment talks swirling around the white house with michael wolff. well, i've got a man here who was there when it all started.