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Immediately against donald trump. >> so that's fascinating. julian castro, he said they should start impeachment immediately, if true. so they say this about practically -- if this is true we should -- and maybe they find out a week later it's not true or not quite the way it was reported and they never learn. >> you said before, you know, we don't have the facts, all the facts yet on this issue with president trump and obviously if there was quid pro quo, that will eventually come out and there will be an issue. we do have on tape joe biden outright saying the very thing that people are criti...

That doesn't bother voters. >> that's right. it only matters when the economy goes down. and principally it goes down because of higher interest rates. so if the deficit has caused that to happen people care about it. you may recall ross perot went around talking about it when the economy wasn't that healthy. when the economy is healthy it's on the back burner. but as steve mentioned ilgt's profoundly irresponsible for our children. it's going to lower our standard of living for the country so if you look at it that way it's selfish. >> and you look at 20 trillion, it's not understandable. but...

>> because it doesn't bother, it doesn't effect her directly. >> i think that's one of the things. these are things that we are very aware of, but it doesn't, alt right, birtherism are probably words she doesn't understand or can define. >> doesn't effect her. >> this goes to the issue around normalization of the alt right. there should be a situation where people feel like it is a deeply stigmatizing feeling to have a child with alt right, but this is legitimization because you have folks like steve bannon in the white house crafting strategy for the administration. in some ways, are we surpr...

>> she literally, i don't understand that she doesn't understand what it means. >> because it doesn't bother, it doesn't effect her directly. >> i think that's one of the things. these are things that we are very aware of, but it doesn't, alt right, birtherism are probably words she doesn't understand or can define. >> doesn't effect her. >> this goes to the issue around normalization of the alt right. there should be a situation where people feel like it is a deeply stigmatizing feeling to have a child with alt right, but this is legitimization because you have folks like steve bannon in the ...

>> kat: doesn't bother anyone else that they have all this vocation they can take when they have this disaster sitting here waiting to be tackled? >> i think it bothers a lot of people in the white house. they would preferred that they take the recess, kat. but to eric's point, it took 22 months to take it from 0 to legislation enacted for obamacare. it's taken years for prior presidents to get the health care thing right. it's all wrong right now, but it will never be right in the united states. i really believe this payment until we break the duopoly between the insurance carriers and the pa...