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And the only reason we're having this conversation is because the investigation left some questions open. but it doesn't change the fundamental facts. >> that's notable. i mean, jameis winston's defender is pointing to the shoddiness of the investigation. if you want to talk about the big picture, putting aside the specifics, i mean, that would seem to be agreeing with this overall question of what the tallahassee police was doing and what goes on all the time on college campuses. >> you made this point too. this gets to be about big football programs and it's not just big football programs. >...

>> he might be an innocent man who benefited from a shoddy investigation. but it was a shoddy investigation, innocent or not. go ahead. >> as i said from the beginning, i'm not here to defend an investigation. and chris, you are absolutely right. the only reason that i'm here is because the investigation left questions that should have been resolved with the finding that he should not have been charged. and the only reason we're having this conversation is because the investigation left some questions open. but it doesn't change the fundamental facts. >> that's notable. i mean, jameis winston'...

About snap and about the benefits of snap. and he seemed really amenable to a lot of these issues we were talking to him. in fact, i was very pleased at the end of this. i was really surprised at this. and what really surprised me is he really sort of responded to the economic benefits of the food stamp program. and so the economic benefits here, for an additional $3.2 million it would bring an additional $172 million into the economy of new jersey. so i'm really surprised that he wouldn't do this. >> the state would pony up an extra 3.2 million, it would bring in about $172 million in economi...

That it doesn't tell all of the story. and it didn't include all of the story and walt knew that he couldn't include all of the story because the university is under certain privacy obligations with respect to both jameis and the young lady. but let me just say this. listen, i'm a father, a son, and a brother. so sexual assault is a vicious crime. but the only thing that's equally vicious is a false accusation of sexual assault. there are facts -- >> are you saying there's a false accusation in this case? you're saying the accusation is false? >> absolutely. without any reservation, jameis win...

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