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And, that is the problem right now, that we live in, unfortunately. and that is reality, not just as a chairman of homeland security but as the united states citizen, that i believe that we face right now. i think it makes a lot of us uneasy. martha: just one quick question, then i have got to go. the war on terror, we heard the french president, francois hollande, we are at war. we don't hear that language from our president yet you have got the state department issuing these things basically saying we know there are attacks being attempted on multiple regions around the world. how do you squ...

Negotiate with terrorists, then they're faced with being blamed legitimately so, perhaps, for leaving a soldier behind. >> they absolutely are. and in a different time and in a different place, the argument about negotiating with terrorists was stronger. but when you look at the world we're in today, where we're not at war with a specific nation, we are at war with, you know, terrorists, although obviously the administration doesn't call that anymore, but the warfare that exists is about groups of terrorists. so in the end, you negotiate with who has your service men. but this is not something...

14-year-old kid who -- he doesn't look up to justin bieber. let's get this straight. so my son doesn't call and get me into trouble. but kids do. you look up to that crap. i don't know. >> girls are still time, right? a lot of people that like justin bieber. they're young girls. when they get older demand more. >> but you need somebody like beyonce to say that's not attractive to me. >> exactly. >> you need the woman. >> if you look at that tape, the guy is not caring much and that's all i got to say. >> why did he unzip his pants and yell bill clinton. >> i don't know. >> bill clinton is asso...

14-year-old kid who -- he doesn't look up to justin bieber. let's get this straight. so my son doesn't call and get me into trouble. but kids do. you look up to that crap. i don't know. >> girls are still time, right? a lot of people that like justin bieber. they're young girls. when they get older demand more. >> but you need somebody like beyonce to say that's not attractive to me. >> exactly. >> you need the woman. >> if you look at that tape, the guy is not caring much and that's all i got to say. >> why did he unzip his pants and yell bill clinton. >> i don't know. >> bill clinton is asso...

Couple moments ago where his father said he would never do that, he would never work with al qaeda. this group doesn't call it al qaeda. is it possible he was not aware of he was working with al qaeda against assad? >> we know he spoke to the fbi. they went into that during some interviews. we know that he knew this offshoot of al qaeda in iraq was part of al qaeda. we know that --. alisyn: we do know he knew it was part of the al qaeda? >> we don't know when he knew he knew it. if he knew it at the time he was doing it, that's a problem and conspiracy charge may be easy to prove. if he didn't...