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Played by russian disinformation. essentially they were playing both sides of the coin. they were somehow seeding this information to him to create this kind of doubt and loyal up the american political system. >> we've heard it all. again, it doesn't make sense since the main finding of the dossier was that the kremlin was organizing an attack on the american election system that was intended to get donald trump elected president of the united states. >> that is the top line. >> hard to believe we agree now that we see what's going on in ukraine. >> so why the kremlin leak that, why would it ...

We're not going to stop you. >> so steele has come under a lot of attack for the documents. people have said they're wrong, "a," and, "b," that he, himself, was played by russian disinformation. essentially they were playing both sides of the coin. they were somehow seeding this information to him to create this kind of doubt and loyal up the american political system. >> we've heard it all. again, it doesn't make sense since the main finding of the dossier was that the kremlin was organizing an attack on the american election system that was intended to get donald trump elected president of t...

For him. so he's really uneven. >> but nobody is saying, but maybe he'll grow. >> well, but they'll say if he stays uneven, maybe it just kind of evens itself out. with buttigieg, he has something to prove. >> there's this long tradition in american politics that when it comes to finding the next president, we often look for qualities in that person we don't see in the current incumbent. i think that's working in his favor in this case because he's thoughtful compared to trump. you know, he's actually read books, which makes a difference. you know, he's younger. he's idealistic. he's inspirati...

Service, in this case, the foreign service. and, you know, serve in every administration. the idea is they are serving the country, not the political winds. and to have these people -- all the knowledge they've acquired and the expertise they've acquired, to have that just disappear obviously long term, that's not a good thing for the u.s., for the state department. max, i appreciate you being with us. >> that's something that doesn't compute with trump because for him it's 100% about politics, even these horrible tragedies are all about politics and looking out for himself, so he can't imagin...

And to have these people -- all the knowledge they've acquired and the expertise they've acquired, to have that just disappear obviously long term, that's not a good thing for the u.s., for the state department. max, i appreciate you being with us. >> that's something that doesn't compute with trump because for him it's 100% about politics, even these horrible tragedies are all about politics and looking out for himself, so he can't imagine that there are people in the government who are actually dedicated to serving the country and not their own self-interest. >> max boot, appreciate it. than...