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in administering health care when it comes to medicaid. the idea anyone talks about when a score was issued. there will be a score in all due time. the cbo was way off the last time. i don't think we're waiting to -- that that's a big issue to us right now. >> doesn't cost matter before -- >> of course cost matters but look how off they were last time. if you're looking to the cbo, you're looking in the wrong place. they were way, way off last time in every aspect of how they scored and projected obamacare -- >> will you -- >> neither do they. if you look at the number of people they proj...

This many centrifuges in a short period of time? there's a lot of questions on here but if congress moves before june 30th, they can squelch this deal. i think congress needs to give the negotiators between now and june 30th, the europeans and the u.s. a chance to conclude the best possible deal. >> the only thing that could actually stop the president is a veto approved by congress and that would require a lot of democrats. >> i think democrats are going to be with the president on this. i think some republicans will be with him. there will always be those politicians and ideologues but the w...

>> the good news, if there is a silver lining, is the fact that because there is no inflation everything else doesn't cost more so everything is static. but the bad news is if you are a retiree and you're living off of social security and you may have money in bond, you're not making any money on bonds for about four or five years? >> zero. if you've got money in a bank c.d. or bond, your actual rate of return is 1%, 2%. that's it at best. >> should people fear if the shutdown happens that they're not going to get social security checks? >> no, i don't believe so. i think they will get their c...

>> reporter: but there's a lot of skepticism, too. veteran vets say there's no science to prove that sticking dogs with needles is good medicine. >> the problem is there's no consensus. so you'll find some studies that show there's an effect. and you'll find there's studies that show no effect whatsoever. >> reporter: dr. david ramy helped shape the guidelines for alternative therapies on medicines on behalf of the american veterinarian association. >> another half truth is that there's such thing as an acupuncture point. nobody has ever been able to demonstrate there is such a thing. >> repor...

Ahead of time. so that person can say, you don't sound convincing at all or look so nervous and are not making eye contact, practice answering the objections so you really come across like you know what you're doing and are justified and people feed off that confidence. >> if you have a good relationship with your customers and say, look, the economy is bad out there. in many times that might be enough because they compare about you and other times you changed your package so are offering them more that doesn't cost you anything. >> correct. i always say offer something very valuable to them, ...