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Open and work on making sure our borders are secure. >> the other piece of -- one of the other pieces of this, jon lemire, you heard the clip there, the president saying there's this idea of invoking a national emergency and building this somehow by executive fiat. i know he raises this possibility of dramatic if vague executive action from time to time. does this fall in the category of bluster or is there something going on in the background here where the white house is actually prepared to try to make some kind of executive move on this? >> there have been a few initial steps to look at it...

Posture on this. we heard what the president said publicly today. privately, is there any movement there? >> there has been at least a rekindling of some discussion. in fact, it was telling last night, people i talked to close to the white house noticed that sean hannity on fox news, who frankly sometimes acts as an unofficial white house spokesman, floated this very idea on his show last night. the question is was that a float with the president's blessing or is that his attempt to steer the president a certain way, which we know sometimes advisers to donald trump find the best way to advise ...

That's how he mopped the floor when he won the presidency. and also the republican nomination. it was immigration. so i think woe be unto any democrat who doesn't understand the reason trump is in the white house is because of immigration. and we do have a border crisis. we do. life expectancy declined in this country for the second year in a row. we haven't seen that since world war i. one of the key reasons was drugs. and drugs -- >> the question is -- >> can i finish? drugs coming over our southern border, fentanyl, is driving a lot of this decline in the life expectancy. this is a crisis. ...

Taken the quote/unquote nuclear option. >> mitch mcconnell tried to deliver a deal to trump months ago and trump pulled the plug on it at the last minute. this is again someone who can't even do a deal with members of his own party. this is not mitch mcconnell's fault. this solely resides with president trump. >> no, no, no. >> if there's a crisis on the southern border -- >> the house passed a funding bill that includes funding for the -- >> which there isn't. apprehensions at the southern border are at year, decade lows. there is not a crisis. that's a manufactured idea. >> well, aei, which ...

Original deal that didn't have the money for the wall that's a loss, you're throwing away your presidency. and he balked. he signaled he was going to sign it. he signaled he was ready to go forward with this. and he changed his mind. this is a moment where there are very few -- there are not that many republicans. we're seeing some signs of strain in the senate right now, some who have said, susan collins and a few others, have said they should reopen the government, this should not be how we do this. the border security stuff should be separate to the idea of the government being open. but th...