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Research, as the president called it, a thing of value? >> well, we could make an argument that it is. most foreign interference or foreign campaign donations have to do with money. so most of the case law has to do with the application of money. but we have to remember that the russian interference activity in 2016 was an intelligence operation, and so to assume that future activities would be intelligence operations by russia or any other hostile nation means that they're going to try to get around the law. so it's wonderful that the commissioner issued this statement, because she is putting...

Money. but we have to remember that the russian interference activity in 2016 was an intelligence operation, and so to assume that future activities would be intelligence operations by russia or any other hostile nation means that they're going to try to get around the law. so it's wonderful that the commissioner issued this statement, because she is putting the u.s. candidates and campaigns on notice that they are at risk of becoming under investigation. but that doesn't dissuade, that's not going to dissuade foreign countries from trying to do this activity, especially now if they know that ...

He's clearly competent. utahans love him. >> also, look, he was the governor of massachusetts. it's a big job. he did save the olympics. he ran a major corporation. >> and he will win. >> he will win? >> he was right about russia. >> he was right about russia. >> and when he does win, there will be -- there are already donors who want him to win and then position himself for a primary run against president trump in 2020. i'm already talking -- they're already -- a slide show performance doesn't dissuade them. >> we'll talk about it later. first, an iconic washington phrase has been getting qui...

In the establishment camp. back in 2012, i think we win every candidate for except i think ron paul. every candidate got their chance to be in the lead. we said the heck with it, mitt romney, right? so, he doesn't generate a lot of excitement. he's clearly competent. utahans love him. >> also, look, he was the governor of massachusetts. it's a big job. he did save the olympics. he ran a major corporation. >> and he will win. >> he will win? >> he was right about russia. >> he was right about russia. >> and when he does win, there will be -- there are already donors who want him to win and then...

Distanced himself from anything that he says. he's just giving a big blank mea culpa, spinning it towards the direction of president trump is the best thing since sliced bread and let's move on and doesn't dissuade any of us who have to look at the facts from looking at the facts and vetting those facts and finding out that there are legitimate reasons and legitimate concerns about the president's mental health and those are not going to go away with bannon merely saying i am sorry, i dist you. the school bullying, the fights on twitter, i mean, we talk often about access in this administratio...