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provide more details from its closed-door interview with former white house counsel, pat cipollone. he testified friday for eight hours. yesterday at the south -- said cipollone reinforced alleged misconduct by trump, adding that his testimony included information that demonstrates the former presidents, quote, supreme dereliction of duty. a member of the committee explaining more of cipollone's testimony this morning on meet the press. >> he made very clear that he took the side of many of the folks we have already seen come before the committee. and he was asserting that there was ...

Have ultimately been a decision that two men came to at the same time. Whether or not there was some thought, and if there was not consider about making the administrations life and the president s life more difficult, he might have been left it. Kelly was said to have delivered the news. It is unclear and unknown, its a wild card. He goes outside independently. Steve bannon is now a household name. There is people that will be upset that he left this white house. I talked to a bannon ally earlier this week. They said we had a sense this is coming and we look at this white house now and we see...

Law. anyway -- >> i don't think any judge likes being told that. we now know bannon has until the end of next month to find a new attorney. thank you for joining us on that remarkable showdown in court. >> thank you very much. >> so interesting and so rare, and they're still talking through a third-party attorney. >> basically they use someone else to communicate. >> can you tell her something? >> oh, sorry, someone was talking to me. this morning's number is zero, we'll tell you why ahead. >> the producers are saying go to the tease.

Case. but i can't go into those details, as i know you know, and steve bannon may well be right and i may be wrong. but it's his case and his life and he deserves to be able to proceed with a defense he thinks is appropriate. >> the judge seemed to think this was part of a delay tactic because now bannon has until the end of february to come up with a new attorney. is this a delay tactic? what would you say to that? >> no, that's where the thing blew up yesterday, frankly. the prosecutor in this case, they investigated the case for two years. they had by their own account, 47 employees working...

Brianna. as these are mounting legal problems for steve bannon, sources tell me that he will surrender tomorrow to face new new york state charges related to that crowd fundraising effort to build a wall along the southern u.s. border. now, these state charges are very similar to the conduct that bannon was charged by federal prosecutors in 2020, then prosecutors say that bannon and his co-conspirators defrauded donors to this crowd fundraising effort called we build the wall, they raised more than $25 million but prosecutors say they diverted more than $1 million of that fundraising effort in...