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Have ultimately been a decision that two men came to at the same time. Whether or not there was some thought, and if there was not consider about making the administrations life and the president s life more difficult, he might have been left it. Kelly was said to have delivered the news. It is unclear and unknown, its a wild card. He goes outside independently. Steve bannon is now a household name. There is people that will be upset that he left this white house. I talked to a bannon ally earlier this week. They said we had a sense this is coming and we look at this white house now and we see new york democrats and generals. That is not what we worked for in 2016. Steve bannon is the leader of a coalition and it remains to be seen. Let me bring in jennifer reuben. The author of the post, so your paper is quoting friends of Steve Bannons assayi saying lo he can help the president s agenda from the outside, that things were not working on the inside. Gabe sherman reports something very different that he will go back to breitbart and become a thorn in the side of gabe sherman. Which way do you see it. They try to occupy that space. And in the area that he is trying to drift back, the more antagonistic they will become. So i think they need to occupy that pace for business reasons. That is where fans are and that is how they made their name. She to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up if he wants to, he doesnt have a concrete agenda or ideology. As strong as mr. Kelly has been. He doesnt bring content either. There is a big Question Mark about what is donald trump without steve bannon . I want to bring in the director of progressive programming. Nancy pelosi put out a statement and it reads Steve Bannons firing is welcome news but it does hide that donald trump stands on bigoted beliefs. I think he showed this week that the problem is not steve ban non. They clearly come from his heart, and Steve Ban Nonis certainly running bright bart. The platform for the altright. And that is a quote, and certainly donald trump panders to that constituency. But donald trump believes some of these things that are so upseatiu upsetting to americans. It sounds like it is a good thing, but lets not presend the white house is a better place. Donald trump is his own man. I think it is good that Steve Ban Nonis out of the white house, but i dont believe he is the problem. That is certainly aligned, but without him he will still believe those things. Bannons departure marks the fourth senior aid to have left the white house in the last few weeks. As people have been telling folks from inside the white house, saying this is inevitable, or is it a sign that john kelly, while he may not be able to get control with the president s words, he cant control every tweet, he is at least structurally taking charge of this white house. It might be a sign of that. It is an indication here that this is something that kelly wanted. Maybe he was not aware that he was doing it. Maybe kelly has to do this i think there are a couple x factors. We see people all of the time that move from inside his inner circle to the outside but they maintain proximity with him. If were looking at just bannon, does it argue for the possibility that he doesnt go out and go to breitbart and become the enemy of the white house and uses that influence and the power of the platform that is brietbart and is trying to get through the things that he cares about. I think there is a middle ground between he goes out and bashes donald trump or he doesnt do all of that. I think it could put him in a place. It could be that he goes back to a Media Platform and he becomes a voice of some of the people around donald trump. You go back 30 years to the early days. He was so popular with the conservative base. So what they would do is they would give their policy and he would say im just letting them be themselves. He would call them globalists or whatever. He is attacking them, but not donald trump, he says i love you, i love what youre trying to do, and these guys are keeping grow doing it. And he was in a very nasty civil war. Let me ask you and your take on th that. Do you see Steve Ban Nonsnon sai can if you look at the cia director, general mattis, joe dunford. This is the best National Security team of my lifetime. He is a he puts together teams of his executives, his political side was not working as well. I believe that he is in. Wendy president kamp david this weekend and at his side will be nick ayers who is a genius in republican circles. If you graph the ayers understanding of the Congressional Republican party under the john kelly ability to execute, command, and control, along with this nation nag security team, i think people that want the president to suck se succeed, and im one of them, they will be es tatic that it looks like it will be emerged i want to just advantage for you a second. She heard the same thing that i have heard. Even when they are upset about what he tweets, says, and does, if they think he is not acting yes. He is surrounding himself with good people. Youre saying what other people have said. He surrounded himself with his team. National security. He is the commander and chief. You can surround yourself with the biggest geniuses in the world. If you dont understand the way the world works, if you cant make the deep dive, to have the good decisions and right conversations, you can surround yourself with anybody and will it matter. My question to you is is too much being put on the backs of people like gary cohen, these generals for our national securit security. You and i are both lake eerie people. And the weather can change in a moment up there we both have anecdotal evidence. It was not his finest hour. But they want why are they still with him . Number one, they hate us, they hate everyone on television because they do not see themselves reflected on television, talking fairly about the president , like the Big North Korea win, for the first time in over 15 years, north korea backed down and scrolled itself away. It is a huge win. He announced he will drop out of the deal soon. I think you have seen more with the fox con announcements. The amazon ihirings. I think the trump base is a little intimidating. Against being pro trump is still there and resolute and theyre welcoming what appears to be refurbishment, but also policy and intellectually. And theyre cheering that john kelly is there and in charge and they will have a nick ayers ability to work. Probably the happiest guy is mitch mcconnell. You need to be able to work with the west wing and the president. The question is who will be there to work with. Where will steve bannon go . What will he do . We also have eric wemple with his ion sights on all of this, back after this. Then the chronic, widespread pain slowed me down. My doctor said moving more helps ease Fibromyalgia Pain. He also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. Woman for some, lyrica can significantly relieve Fibromyalgia Pain and improve function, so i feel better. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions suicidal thoughts or actions. 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Do the thing we talked about. What do we say . Its going to be great. Watch. Remember what we were just saying . Go irish see that . Yes im gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. Find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. If you think theyre going to give you your country back without a fight, youre sadly mistaken. Every day it will be a fight and that is what im proudest about donald trump. Every day he says i committed this to the american people, i promised this when i ran, and im going to deliver on this. The power of being combative, the power of going to war, now he is gone from the white house. What is next . Joining me by phone is president of endeavor relations. He worked with steve bannon, you know the guy. What will he be doing next . All right, we dont have a connection there, we lost the connection, let me go to eric wemple at the washington post. What are you hearing went went down here . He may be returning to his. Mu perch at the top of breitbart. That was the position which he ran this website. It was very much big on the ideology that he favors. Which is, you know nationalist, antifree trade, antiglobalist. A hard line on immigration. And those are the positions that he had a mind held with President Trump on. And as pointed out in the book devils bargain. They were casting about for a candidate that agreed with him and he found one in trump. I think his departure from the white house detainee mean much for the trump agenda. I think he will continue to believe the things he believes. Trump may be lacking a person on staff that really goads him into more extreme positions. Kurt is back on the phone now, sorry we lost you, what do you think is next for steve bannon . Exactly what he set out to do, which is destroy the establishment. Take down all of the pillars of political correctness. Continue his assault against the media. I expect them to go full force. You know, he is a very bombastic and driven in person, and in many ways i feel like living the leaving the white house will be different for him. Working in the white house, answers to anybody, steve is not meant to work for anyone. And i think it was a handicap to him, now he will be able to operate freely. But the speaking out and agenda, thats who we will see more of now. Is it the president and the people you naked like the paul ryans . And just how powerful of an enemy have they created . You know, i dont know if it is a full tilt negative, the west wing globalists as he came to recognize them. Gary cohen. They fix sate on these personalities, and they fix sate on those personalities. He would be steering away from the agenda that we elected them on and i think you will see that kind of targeted approach in the beginning. Thank you for that. I want to bring back in eric wemple. Peter king, the new york congressman said he should go, roger stone said he should go. Anthony scaramucci, not that he has any france at the white house, he also was a voice, but the New York Times reported that there was a push by the head of fox, Rupert Murdoch. What do you know about his influence in the ousting of steve ban non. I think it may have as much to do with john kelly and his ascension to the chief of staff roll as anything else. You know it is interesting you bring up murdoch, now bannon is outside of the white house, but as kirk or anyone would tell you donald trump has a cell phone he can continue talking to steve bannon. Donald trump is terribly undisciplined. He will continue to go around the efforts of his aides to funnel information to him. Steve bannon could be as much of a influence on the outside as he is on the inside. At the same time directing the machinery of breitbart against these sort of mainstream republican politician thats are really where his heart lies. This could be the best of both words for steve bannon as far as his agenda is concerned. It will be fascinating to watch how the media agenda on the right does settle in. You have someone that had a back and forth relationship with this president but you have a son who in the last 24 hours released a critical statement. Gave a Million Dollar donation, had harsh words about the president of the United States. We heard some of the fox anchors in the aftermath being highly critical. How does the Media Landscape look to you and where does that go in terms of what we have already seen at least some movement of his base away from the strong approval of donald trump . I think on the right, if you look at the conservative media landscape, youre reintroducing him as a Media Kingpin on the right. Maybe that goes back to breitbart or launching something else. There is a lot of thought right knew it will end up with steve bannon running a immediate why outlet. What you will see on display is two very differently powerful strings of conservatism. The conservatism that Rupert Murdoch has advocated is the conservatism of free trade. Of immigration reform. It is the conservatism of globalism. Then you steve bannon saying the trade deals are bad. A lot of republican friendly outlets have been trying to figure out how to navigate it and you see that with fox. The wall street editorial page, you still see the old school murdomu murdoch globalism. He is taking a very strong position and i think were looking to see if she going to War With Trump. I think he is not going after trump, but she going after the globalists in the administration, and the evidence that we have is that donald trump doesnt much mind when his people are sniping at each other in the media. As long as it is loyalty to him. You also have a situation where there is not discontent, but the lack of a settled feeling. In the conservative media landscape. You have a James Murdoch giving a Million Dollars to the antidefamation league. And speaking firmly about it. Congressman king is welcoming in. You dont have the steve bannon in the white house, but this is not like a week like any other week. What happened on tuesday i think is changing the conversation around this white house, this president , and you had a president staid there on tuesday and say there was been there and there was mine people standing along the nazis. I have so many people that watched that on tuesday and it changed their view on the president. They didnt think he really believed some of these things. I think this week, searchly the drama about who will be around the president , staffing him in the white house, is interesting in this moment. I think beyond this, i think the conversation has become serious and larger than who was staffing the president. Whats the headline on your next column . Doesm bannon go to War With Trump . They had a srelationship that oe of them could not have gotten to the white house without the other. If he attacks all of the preserved opponents, will he rip apart the Republican Party. He will go out there and wage war, even if the president doesnt. Against dean heller, and paul ryan as they go to 2018. He will make the president s life miserable at the same time he is whispering in trumps ear saying keep at it. That is a good issue for you. I think youre seeing the unwinding of the entire pop List Movement that doesnt have a End Point Other than a disaster. It has an end point on what we have seen this tuesday in charlottesville. There is no there there in terms of the pop list agenda. The rest of it is just a hodgepodge of zenophobia, antiim grant, but it is really about the culture wars and about race. Donald trump has always been about that. He was from his days in new york, and he still is. This is what he truly believes in his heart. He doesnt care what his positions are. He wants to be in touch with the vibe that he tapped into which is white resentment. That will continue i think Whether Bannon is out there or not. I disagree with hew hewitt when he says congress will be applauding, but no. They will have part of the original base that is now not going to turn out for them in november of 2018. Not going to support them. Theyre going to look at a semidisaster. It will not rid them of this nox sh nox noxious element. Thank you, jennifer reuben, we will look for that column. When we come back, were going to kacamp david. The business of government going forward. Well talk about that when we come back. I dont really have a comment on what mr. Bannons remarks were in that particular interview. I think we have been quite clear what the policy and posture toward north korea is. The Secretary Of State talking about that wide ranging and shocking interview that steve bannon gave. He said he didnt realize he was on the record. Joining me now by phone, talking about the developments and Steve Ban Nonbeing gone, so receistev went on to The American Prospect website. What follows is the article that likely pushed steve ban non, the architect of his White Nationalist messaging out of the white house door. Is that what happened here . It is certainly important. I think his continued service on the white house was not just unpaletteble and impossible for General Kelly. How can he have that claim when the Senior Advisor to the president of the United States is picking up the phone, talking to magazines, reversing american policy on north korea. Under mines the Secretary Of State, and responsible for running, i think, which is widely held knowledge a Smear Campaign agains

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