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>> no. because we never play it. we never play it at all. it's just -- it just happens that i'm an american of african descent and so is olivia pope. but it's there. so in most of american mythology, the fact that you have a black character sort of talks about the history of this country, talks about a fabric that, whether it's pronounced or just subtly in the background, that's part of what this country is about. race, for all intents and purposes, is not an easy conversation for us to have. >> it doesn't have sort of a constant conversation about race or it doesn't enter in, and yet it says ...

Mythology, the fact that you have a black character sort of talks about the history of this country, talks about a fabric that, whether it's pronounced or just subtly in the background, that's part of what this country is about. race, for all intents and purposes, is not an easy conversation for us to have. >> it doesn't have sort of a constant conversation about race or it doesn't enter in, and yet it says so much. >> exactly. >> by existing. >> right. >> when you look at oscar sunday coming up, three black actors and a director are nominated this year. do we take for granted that more progre...