19 to 24 year guideline and include some sort of probation and, of course, fines. >> the fines are enormous. they're claiming he stole a lot of money from the american taxpayers. he's been ordered to pay restitution of almost $25 million. forfeit another $4.4 million to the federal government. >> and the prosecutor is saying he's not a poor man. >> yeah, so, you know, he pointed that out. i mean, i think what judge ellis is saying really provides insight into how hard it is for a judge because the judge said, you know, you're a good friend and generous to others, you've lived an otherwise blam...