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Excuses, pretend they don't see, pretent is doesn't exist. that it doesn't excuse, say that was a long time ago, which is a lie. jared kushner is a prime example of how those things happen. of how -- it is the people who pretend, who also agree ewith the racism and therefore pretend they don't see it or they defend it or thaw deflect. >> i want to ask you this because i had scott james on who is a trump supporter and contributor. this is not against scott. he says we shouldn't expect anyone if it was a democratic administration or anyone. especially the father-in-law. to say something derogato...

Happening and that is problematb. have you ever thought about -- so it demmen straights the fact that about 1/3 were slave owners and therist were not. two out of three families were not slave own oing families but they went along with it. not everybody has jim crowe. not everybody was putting hounds on people and turning people away from stores and lunch counters. but the rest of the people went along with it. and the people who make the excuses, pretend they don't see, that it doesn't excuse, say that was a long time ago, which is a lie. jared kushner is a prime example

Trump directly into that camera. >> i saw what i've, seeing over the last couple of years. what the public has seen is basically the old clips. >> that's all i know. >> look, michael cohen was trump's kind of thuggy lawyer and did dishonest things, and his explanation, which is the real explanation if you know michael personal, if you know donald personally, he was in the glow. he went from being a taxicab attorney to trump's attorney on his lapel pin. that's intoxicating. he's described it as a cult. that doesn't excuse, but it explains a lot of his behavior. what i saw over the last couple o...

Him to fall for, never getting angry, never giving more of an answer than was necessary, and being, you know, as solid a witness in terms of performance as you can see in those kinds of hearings. what did you see in that range of emotion in the range of what you saw him go through? i'm particularly interested in what you felt, what you thought when you saw him address donald trump directly into that camera. >> i saw what i've, seeing over the last couple of years. what the public has seen is basically the old clips. >> that's all i know. >> look, michael cohen was trump's kind of thuggy lawyer...

The meeting. >> no. >> cohen said he knew all about it. >> hold on a sec. first of all, with regard to a campaign finance violation, you're talking about something that even if what you say is true, if the president had done this directly, there was nothing illegal about it. there's knoll illegal -- >> why lie about it? why hide it from the american people? you know, during an election, five, ten days before an election, this may been the most significant campaign contribution -- >> it doesn't change the fact that you're trying to criminalize something that -- >> i'm not trying to criminalize ...