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Interfering apart from the collusion and say they are concerned about one and want to prevent one. that doesn't give space. >> democrats, however, early on made one about the other. >> maria: those numbers aren't surprising. the number i'm very heartened by is the one that he should not be fired. i have think most americans should agree that he can finish out his investigation and it's important. >> katie: to address your argument of needing to separate the two collusion versus other, that may be true. however, this investigation is not separated that way. i mean, you have the indictments that...

Have propped up one dictator after another we have not done well by the values of a country that began in democracy and must continue to find that balance in the right way in this world. >> and one other issue. the white house says there must be a negotiated path to democracy. what do they mean by that? what negotiated path? either mubarak is in or he's out and there is a new path to a new government that is going to satisfy these people that is going to satisfy labor and work with labor and create jobs. what do you make of it? >> well, i mean, there are four demands -- we hear from this wonde...

That began in democracy and must continue to find that balance in the right way in this world. >> and one other issue. the white house says there must be a negotiated path to democracy. what do they mean by that? what negotiated path? either mubarak is in or he's out and there is a new path to a new government that is going to satisfy these people that is going to satisfy labor and work with labor and create jobs. what do you make of it? >> well, i mean, there are four demands -- we hear from this wonderful network, this broad network including labor but young people and across the spectrum. a...