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Take the fifth because i don't want to tell the real story. the question here is not whether people lied. it's about contacts with the russians. if they weren't significant, why does everybody lie? >> i think, yes, it is about context with the russians, that's what mueller is investigating, whether there was collusion but i think it matters that donald trump lied if you believe what investigators have laid out in all these documents when he was a kacandidate, he's koblted to lie to the american people when he was in the white house. and one of the questions that springs to mind is why? donald ...

And david axlerod. david, what do you make of this reporting from the washington post that we are just getting that the trump administration and the saudi royal family are searching for a mutually agreeable explanation for khashoggi's death that somehow doesn't implicate the crown prince? >> my impression from the beginning was that the trip was more about getting the stories to coordinate and jibe than a fact-finding mission. this is a sticky wicket for the administration that they have lashed themselves so closely to the saudis, particularly to the crown prince, and if he is implicated as a ...

Brought implications for foreign policy well beyond the trump administration. >> the secretary will tell the president what he learned. what possibly could he have learned if the secretary of state told us that the saudis didn't want to talk about the facts? that's a stunning statement to have heard from the secretary of state, especially now, given the reporting from the washington post, that the white house and the saudi royal family are trying to cook up a story. a mutually agreeable version of a story that doesn't implicate the crown prince doesn't sound like let's let the facts dictate wh...

That the trump administration and the saudi royal family are ren searching for a mutually agreeable explanation for khashoggi's death that somehow doesn't implicate the crown prince? >> my impression from the beginning was that the trip was more about getting the stories to coordinate and jibe than a fact-finding mission. this is a sticky wicket for the administration thaws they have lashed themselves so closely to the saudis, particularly to the crown prince, and if he is implicated as a mastermind of this assassination, it is an enormous problem for them. so i think that, you know, let's jus...

He is, as you mentioned, a colonel in the intelligence services. he is a former diplomat, part of the circle of the crown prince. he has been photographed many times with the crown prince. turkish authorities hearsaying they expect their side of the investigation to wrap soon. john? >> and again, this is what makes it so stunning that the united states and saudi arabia askordiaskord i -- according to the washington post looking for a way to explain that doesn't implicate saudi arabia. thank you so much for your reporting on this. it is very, very important. "the new york times" reporting in ...