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To say $450,000 or somewhere around in there where the president can say, okay, it doesn't raise as much revenue, but it's more fair than what we got? >> i think that's part of it, chris, and i really think, and you and i have talked about this before, that for a lot of my conservative friends and myself included is, you know, what does the other side give? what are the spending cuts, real spending cuts, substantive spending cuts that are going to make a difference. you didn't lose sight of this as part of this deal. it goes to what you were talking about with cpi and other aspects of the deal...

That would like to dance on that cliff for years. they just love that cliff. let me ask you, mike, some people just like trouble. let me go to this, michael. you're laughing. what is the hardest thing for your side, the center right and right, to buy? is it to cut that threshold down to say $450,000 or somewhere around in there where the president can say, okay, it doesn't raise as much revenue, but it's more fair than what we got? >> i think that's part of it, chris, and i really think, and you and i have talked about this before, that for a lot of my conservative friends and myself included ...

Drove the grover norquist pledge. you pledge i'll be there with an "a" no matter what. i can't tell you how many times i have looked at my colleagues in the eye after they cast one of these crazy votes on guns and they shrug their shoulders and say, i live in a pretty conservative area. the honest answer is even in conservative areas people are sensible and rational, and if we come up with something that's reasonable that doesn't inhibit basic sportsmen and hunters and self-defense, we're going to have strong support across party lines. >> governor adlai stevenson of illinois once said it's th...

Election. it's the same mentality that grove the grover norquist pledge. you pledge i'll be there with with an "a" no matter what. i can't tell you how many times i have looked at my colleagues in the eye after they cast one of these crazy goats on guns and they shrug their shoulders sand ai live in a pretty conservative area. the honest answer is even in conservative areas people are sensible and rational and if we come up with something that's reasonable that doesn't inhibit basic sportsmen and hunters and self-defense, we're going to have sfrong support across party lines. >> governor adlai...