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Cooperating on may 22nd. that also tells us that hey, the mueller investigation had an active cooperating witness working with them for more than the past three months and none of us had any idea about it. mueller side of this doesn't leak. if you were hoping to get juicy leaks out of the special counsel's office, nobody is getting it. otherwise we would have mattered sam patten was a cooperator and due to be charged someday. the prosecutors say that sam patten lied to and obstructed the senate intelligence committee. and the senate investigation of the scandal. we hadn't even knew that he tel...

Cooperating witness and the newest guilty plea. no that we know he first started cooperating on may 22nd, that also tells us that hey, the mueller investigationing had an active cooperating witness working with them for more than the past three months and none of us had any idea about it. mueller side of this doesn't leak. if you were hoping to get juicy leaks out of the special counsel's office, nobody is getting any leaks out of the special counsel's office. otherwise we would have heard that sam patten-was a cooperator and due to be charged some day. prosecutors also say that will sam patte...

Is that he was, by leaking this, really this had to come through the manafort side of this. by now we know mueller's team doesn't leak things, is that manafort is looking to signal to trump who is already outspoken -- >> that signal being, see, i didn't turn? >> yeah, that signal is them looking for me to do something, whether it be corporatioperatio of plea. it could have been just straight plea negotiations. but a plea by manafort, even if not a cooperations plea, but a plea agreement to plead to charges and gets a benefit in his sentencing but does get information, that would still make it ...

Donald trump jr. tell donald trump about the upcoming meeting? >> we don't know. robert mueller is a block box. has been from the beginning. doesn't leak. it's possible. because mueller has access to a boost of sources of information. it could include e-mails and phone conversations. if there were conversations documenting the contents of the meeting. the other thing i would reference is that based op our reporting this was more than one person. more than just michael coheb and then candidate trump in the room. when donald trump jr. came in to inform the president about this meeting. and get h...

Is that an unreasonable assumption? is that a leap to suggest that these gentlemen used their intelligence background to push the table in hillary's direction? >> it's possible you could speculate that. i would start with john brennan because he was my boss at cia, i served in moscow for five years. i know him well. i'll have to be truthful. he and i didn't always agree on everything. there were lots of times i told him things he needed to know i didn't want to hear and he didn't always react so favorably. i think is partisan and -- is partisan might have been taken with a little bit more posi...